The display may show Press the Mode (center) button on the DUAL48M control panel. 1 0 obj http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf, http://www.turf-digital.com/Jul2011/South#&pageSet=12&page=0. HunterTekGeek 1. WebDetect faults and perform electrical troubleshooting in the field without uninstalling decoders Quickly read decoder status, station address, current draw, and two-wire voltage to simplify maintenance Program decoder station address via wired connection to speed up installation and save time on-site First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. WebMake sure both slide locks are closed. Repeat firmware update steps and allow to complete. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. Weba defective solenoid, 2) defective field wiring, or 3) poor wire connections. WebMove the pointer with the arrow buttons at the Main Menu screen to Program Decoder and press Next . Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. I feel like I am beating this to death. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. Check flow sensor wiring. Select Diagnostics with the arrows, and press Mode to Press the Mode If the Err message is not present, the problem is with the valve or Ditto on the classy rep. Those are posts well worth saving. Awesome sps2868. Display backlight will reduce battery life. Current is very helpful in troubleshooting field wiring conditions. Otherwise data history only shows "power outage" and "power restore" due to the homeowner shutting off the breaker, which he says 'almost' always allows the box to work properly. To view this page in a different language, please select from the list below. Of course, the primary design concern for controllers is probably going to be to have triacs that can handle the entire output of the supply transformer up to its internal fuse opening point. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. I remember reading the phrase "electronic circuit breaker" in product descriptions when the glass fuses and mechanical circuit breakers were no longer included with sprinkler controllers. 6u-B*v?!kTBiqGx]%L(lJR%C%JT|JN](lW*M(q0sN)M3Z>.l&Zhg_v|w4(`yNId8Ui@IOPfMaUKZHTLjnJQZ\`{YAQ$t"k$HiYv;|bXr`-p J#[(iiq:;?-+&gj"tw0 ,x n(p.d0ib=J%UXSeRn2 LM %%]*WI@NT. Rod your a big help.. when i called hunter support last thursday the rep i talked to was just reading a book and didnt know a clue what i was talking about almost. HCC Manual Operation. 2 0 obj endobj and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Sprinkus, nice job on providing the Decoder Troubleshooting Guide. Basically the system doesn't work intermittently, where the control box indicated that it is watering normally but it in fact is not. stream I'm an avid user of Hunter products here in Aus. All rights reserved. Y1-XBL)~\d1on4a*NkHIcOB\pMEw4pl>=U`S&bSh 9umf,[$ctNKXle5I<5~8[y!ofCO]myN 'T,]>V 7T% To read decoder information: Two beeps will sound, and decoder information will be displayed. dEZ$eo4#tWY)[ 1BqH M9 7HB37(.eFyTg%!Rppe8M'CJ_*uN%! The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. Hi guys. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. There will be more online material in the future. WebThe bottom of the decoder (the end with no wires) should be within the programming cup. This seems serious enough for the big kahuna to do a site visit. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. EZ-DT is Hunters new Easy Decoder Diagnostic Tool that makes troubleshooting the EZ-DS system even easier. :clapping: Hey Pops, you ever hear of speaker phone or earbuds? nothing works. Check system for leaks and malfunctions. Troubleshooting Decoder-Based Irrigation Systems Regency Wire & Cable 3.86K subscribers Subscribe 230 Share 40K views 5 years ago Learn how to It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. Woo-Hoo! A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. To stop the chatter, press the soft key again, or it will stop by itself after 30 minutes. <> However there have only been two fault messages, each for a random zone (19,22) stating "comm" error. Konapride - Did you call Hunter today? Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! I have a question relating to this post and a job we are on at the moment. School of hard knocks. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. If the voltage did not change, verify that Master Valve not on (station solenoid is on, but no water). Check the voltage on the output of the decoder. <>>> Do not leave ClikTM Output Tester or Flow Output. Start station with MV from controller or remote. Woo-Hoo! Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. If successful, it will display the Dec STEP 1: Verify Station Fault Remove the field wire for the faulted station. EZ-DT: Decoder Programming You WebSolution Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. All rights reserved. If you are going to maintain 2-wire systems, you want to have a clamp-around "leakage meter" that can read the milliamp currents drawn by the decoders. Thank you. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. can we get the Federal Express guy to teach a half-day class? Some of us employ self-healing transformer technology which may use a poly-switch or other resettable device. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If the LED on the decoder is not blinking green, ensure the station is active, checkthe two-wire path and wire connections, and repeatsteps 1 & 2. Why don't you just buy your controllers from dealers instead of off the back of a truck in the middle of the night. WebAttempt to turn on the decoder from the controller (Manual Single Station or ICR remote). Overflow messages. <> I thought I was the only nerd regarding 2 wire. G'Day sprinklerkid_australia --- Your Armada Tech clamp meter is trying to read milliamps at 35 VAC and 1.2 Hertz. The wire test will place a 60 Hz frequency on all output modules and their two-wire paths, to allow wire tracking and fault finding with a standard AC current clamp meter. Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Poly switches allow current leakage and their ability to remain active is limited. ?t5Za')i6/3^mAa` B@9xkWJIj#vc$lsv$ $ac9]zruP!53yT)Ek8k~oF2|jS(KzwR%~qQPxS*=[{n{;GCNBRq;4E+ajt'b34vII +sa:fKJ Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. WebOpen the controller inner door to see additional diagnostic information on the DUAL48M display. I have better luck using a 24 VAC signal. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. When 12 comes on there shouldn't be any measurable current on the same wire on the 11 valve. endobj I'd say a helper would be handy. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. also there Whats the next step? All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. Make sure you have a clampmeter and notebook in your hands, I can't tell you how portant they both are. 1:24:23 The Half Method. O.k, you're holding the phone in one hand and the notebook in the other..how do you write? i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. If 5[@l$w ZIeQ|"+m}Z JavaScript is disabled. Program dummy station numbers into decoder. WebEZDT - EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. Thanks to all for the kind words. 19 yrs & counting. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. I have chatted a few times with hunter support and with the local hunter rep but I figured I would try a different perspective. nothing works. I previously distributed Hunter here in Aus and they are a brilliant company. Verify flow limits and delays allow for some variation. I have a few oversize control transformers with actual fuseholders. So here's the recap guys: Success! Is that true? Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. Operating large numbers Hunter have been exceptional with their service over the years. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. Verify that the two wire path is connected to the controller, and that controller power is Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. XhArBLfR6+$!$/}^T%]'N$xRP:D,d_c GuC`5PC.7|/$C. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation, EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. Otherwise I have been going by what the homeowner is telling me. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Position the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoder as shown in the display. All rights reserved. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. Konapride - U da Man! 1:27:03 3 0 obj Check with your local sales rep and request a class. That Jim Guy said: Rather than seeing 10.5-12.0 ma you should be getting about 4.5 at the 3rd decoder. It's easy enough to spec triacs in a controller that will operate on the safe side of a glass fuse curve. %PDF-1.5 My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. Success! I scheduled with the homeowner for Friday morning, so I will be calling at 8am Hawaii time this friday. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. Check flow sensor setup. Check battery display or retry with USB power if available. The AC current will drop sharply between two points on the wire path, if the short circuit or fault to earth is between them. JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. How to use a clamp-meter to troubleshoot: 1. WebPress the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. A condensed version might be possible in your area. That's the valve wire after the decoder, not the decoder wire. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. I think it isn't posted online because it needs updating. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, with the primary wired to a pigtail. I am troubleshooting a Hunter ACC 2 wire decoder system and could use some advice. All Hunter ICD decoders have a single copper grounding wire. That is the "wire" that would be connected to earth ground. If the decoder (s) look damaged from surge, disconnect them from the 2-wire path and check the amperage at the controller. This is done by going to "Advanced Features", "Decoder Functions", "Check ADM Current". My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! In other words, if you try to use a clamp meter on "native" power, normal controller power, it likely will not read accurately. <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> Not sure how their fuse size compares to the actual transformer ratings. The decoder may be damaged. Wont read flow. also there are 22 stations. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If there is no problem with the decoder lead wires, then split the connections for the 2-wire path. Trace and mark the 2-wire path using a 501 or 521 if necessary. Connect the Pulser to the 2-wire path that is isolated from the controller. I hate to disappoint 1idejim, but no Speedos were used or harmed during this operation. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. The Decoder Design Guide isn't super great for troubleshooting but it does help clarify things graphically: reps and sponsors could learn a lot from your posts, once a product has been introduced quit selling and help when help is needed. Been installing it for around 6 years now and its the best. ACC-99D uses two-wire decoders to control up to 99 stations without giving up the arsenal of features provided by the ACC. When troubleshooting is finished, press the soft key again to turn off the 60 Hz wire test mode. ICC2 Manual Operation. I will check on it. The Diagnostics screen displays an overview of the electrical status of each installed output module, plus additional functions. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. Thanks for your patience. I looked up curves when it seemed like I would have to upsize a fuse in a solid state controller in order to accommodate two valves on a zone, in a controller only rated for one. I will also explore a shorted solenoid. Sorry. I will be in the office the rest of the week. nothing works. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Example of using glass fuse holders on ADM. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? If the decoder reading fails, a red X will appear in the display. 1:01:06 Tools for Troubleshooting. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. Ex distributor and a big fan of Hunter 2 wire. The ICD-HP will check for a decoder. great post & replies.. very helpful stuff. 1:09:06 System Troubleshooting. @lP-s 67#R }*]xg6Q+DTp J'rY{y 2. Can we trust electronic component curves? I have only gotten the problem to show itself for me once, that was today after installing the new module. I should have mentioned my own research about polyswitches was not about their being primary protection in this application, but for use in another aspect of valve operation by remote controllers. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. The curves I read showed there was a little bit of wiggle room (very little). w?Lhq ?N~5kd>wkSrzPq$`p_PD8q also there are 22 stations. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Check two-wire path and controller power. Sometimes it works perfectly fine. When no stations are running (Inactive), this shows the standby current draw of idle decoders on the two-wire path. If it is there for a long period of time, the ICD-HP is retrying due to communication failures. % Or are we taking those with the same grains of salt we employ when looking at sprinkler head performance charts? WebTroubleshoot wire breaks, nicks, damage, and shorts Solve issues with wires, valves and locating decoders Assists with set-up and product recommendations Supports all 2-wire When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. When stations are running (Active), the total current is updated to show the power used by the solenoids. xnH j"0 5xvyeY&B^RU}j5,WWu| ?Dy2)Q()F)aY@S8bAZDx]r|zy|hWl>V&vrU>%eD/ay2qlH&O}MHV- 0h$X>#e|:>6 ? 2. Decoder will not respond after firmware update. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. The * is letting the user know that the ICD-HP is in process of communicating with the decoder. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. The decoder will not respond after a firmware update, Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by handheld. Press the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. I have replaced the decoder module and I am experiencing the same problem. The clamp-meter will give accurate readings. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I love the product. Each modules electrical current is shown. Web1:00:00 EZ Decoder Diagnostics. When the program doesn't run, the "module/line activity" light is rapidly blinking red. Select. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have a great video by an engineer named Barry Brents he explains when to use poly switching and when you might not want to. Decoder is powered from ICD-HP power leads. Make sure power is on to controller. Any current-limiting circuitry would serve as transformer protection as well as triac protection. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? WebHunter ACC Decoders. ill ask for you next time you really know your stuff.. Check battery display or Check with your local sales rep and request a class.
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