We think we can help a little bit with that too. All four tires and wheels must be the same series, size and offset. Likewise, the heavier the front of the car is, the softer the front springs should be, especially the right front spring. Also read the old messages on this 4 cylinder tech link, they have a lot of guys who know both FWD and RWD 4 cyl cars,, so ask your question here or on the Spartan Speedway forums,, the michigan guys are alway willing to help. The key to managing how much your car rotates into a corner - using that to your advantage - is the timing and rate of the release of the brakes, along with the right amount and speed of turning the steering wheel. I do not have the space or time to fully explain roll couple distribution theory here, but I do explain it in detail in my suspension seminars, complete with class notes. If not, refer to steps A. through C. above. Thanks for all those mopar part #s and neon links, now you gave out all my secrets, but thats ok the more neons the better. 13. However, very little common knowledge info exists for front drives. Between dealing with braking, cornering and acceleration forces, the front tires really do have their hands full in any given corner. Check with the other race teams and find out what tire they are running. All tubing must be minimum 1.50-inch O.D. If we try to go to throttle at this point, that inside tire will quickly exceed its maximum grip, lose traction and begin to understeer (immediately followed by much swearing coming from the drivers seat vicinity). The competition here is so good you really have to be smooth and on top of your game to keep those lap times down consistently. Now that youve done the impossible and gotten a front-wheel drive race car handling well, youre free to take on easier assignmentslike solving the European debt crisis or resurrecting Lindsay Lohans acting career. On the Volvo C30 Touring Cars we ran in the Pirelli World Challenge last year, we had nearly a 10-psi spread between the front and rear of the Pirelli P Zero slicks. Now weve seen a bit of what the driver can do to help negate some of the front-wheel drive disadvantages, but what can the car do to help in return? TPS has not had a Neon in it YET. Now thats fine if youre dealing with a race car or an older car. ACP: Its kind of an open secret that they do that with the rear brakes on the Focus ST. For more than about 7 degrees on the Mopars, you'll have to lengthen the lower control arm. Increase the Ackermann to 1 degree in 15 degrees of steering. The car should enter, go through the middle, and come off the corners going straight ahead and balanced in the overall setup. Just ask the parts store for a frame mounted external fuel pump for an 89 F-150. Whatever that might be. Well Mr. Holt, as a matter of fact I just returned from 2 weeks in Egypt. Details. Under these conditions, teams using softer RR springs with Panhard bars high on the left side and low on the right side and with plenty of rear steer will find trouble. For Springport, you can install the commonly available 1.06 transfer gears and run fast. Caster seems to be the red-headed stepchild of suspension adjustments. Running a stock tank is not a good idea because you will have to keep a lot more fuel in the car. A few weeks ago I caught up with Canadian pro driver and BFGoodrich Performance Team Member Andrew Comrie-Picard, who has all those titles I just mentioned and has spent a lot of time teaching drivers to be fast with front-wheel drive cars. ACP: Historically, front-drive cars had a reputation for not driving well, not being great performance driving cars. So what you want to do is control your weight transfer absolutely as well as possible. Pretty much stock 4 cyl. So lets take a closer look at what it takes to get one of these wrong-wheel drive vehicles around the trackquickly. 1 week scuba diving the Red Sea. It creates a few headaches though. You can also do a lot with tire pressures to adjust the handling. Since Im going to be driving the new Honda Civic Type R in a few days, I asked for advice, and he basically took me through six principles: Comrie-Picard had a lot to say explaining what all that means, and Ive transcribed all the tips I was able to get out of him after I let ACP, as hes known, tell me about Car Saviors, the TV show hes trying to get traction with where he teams up with Hoonigans Britan Scotto to restore and reimagine weird old garbage cars and then drift the hell out of them. (You can watch the first episode, where an ancient Rolls Royce gets turned into a drift machine, right now on DiscoveryGO for free if you have a cable subscription.). Step 1 - Decide your target hot pressure. The pump runs on 12volts and will pump plenty of fuel. In the back, you want a swaybar or a stiffer one than you already have. Again tires are the most important part of the car. CT: How do you drive a car that's way too tight? It would not be fair to those teams I have worked with in the past to divulge specific set up information, so I will explain using generic concepts. Precision manufactured struts are the same as those found on the 199599 Neon ACR. Some guys like to lower the left-side rods, but others hate that. Toe in is more stable under braking but that is because it stops the rear from moving around. And that circle represents the amount of traction the tire can give you. If you have a choice, run tires with large grooves such as the all-terrain types for mud and snow. Stiffening the rear bar does trick the car into rotation, but it also can result in a car that is not as evenly balanced as one that uses bars at both ends. Change, change, everywhere a change , a message from social protests of the '60s, could have been written in reference to dirt track racing. But any modern car is going to say whoa, hey, what are you thinking? If the track goes slick you probably want to tighten it up. LF = 350; RF = 325; LR = 200 (350 pounds swing arm); RR = 175 (325 pounds swing arm). Front-wheel drive gets a bad rap with car enthusiasts. This is what happens when you see the left rear tire coming off the ground in the corners. All rights reserved. You will need to reduce the air in your tires by 8.5psi to allow the right pressure when racing. ACP: The way we teach this in driving school is, we imagine a string, from the bottom of the steering wheel, to the top of the throttle pedal. Because youre asking them to take that side load, and you add the accelerative force.. The changes will be realistic and will not involve cutting or welding the chassis. Now we have come all the way to the most difficult conditions we will see in dirt track racing. No aftermarket racing heads. Franklin: If you race both Supers and Crates, when you get back down to the Crates it does seem to be easier because your straightaway speeds are so much less, and it just seems like it takes forever to get to the corner. ". So normally, as the racetrack gets slippery you add front brake. Any more than that 20 percent, and the tire will go over its maximum available grip and lose traction, with the result being the dreaded power-on push that front-wheel drive cars are infamous for. Yes, you do have to be careful and make sure you carry as much momentum as you can through the corner with a Crate, but you also have to do that in the Supers too. if so should they be thick or thin? Look for a car that has been taken care of and not rusted out. These are exceptions and won't be addressed here. That one thing that can be the cars disadvantage, that it has all the weight on the nose, you can turn into an advantage. Softening the front springs will help the car turn, but to a lesser degree than making rear spring changes. 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The front springs will always be the stiffest. This is a good time to get used to the bumps and the bank on the curves. But in terms of street cars, trying to drive it fast, youre going to be relying (mostly) on two things: A really good tire, and really good OEM electronics. VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER (V.I.N. Nobody ever looks at the ENTIRE CAR. Robb just won the GT4 class in GT America in Nashville last night. Less fuel equals less weight in the car. Those conversations were so enlightening that we decided to keep going. They know something. Must be securely mounted with positive terminal covered. After all your very life may depend on how well the roll cage is welded together. This story was born from a pair of conversation we had with Dirt Late Model veteran Dale McDowell and Modified racer Jason Hughes about one of the trickiest situations any dirt racer will run into: How to drive a wet, rutted race track. This track condition means the tires are getting a lot of grip and the surface tends to have ruts that grab the car hard. It has been condensed and clarified.). Running camber in that range will allow the tire to lay completely flat in the corner, giving it the biggest contact patch and the maximum amount of grip. Because youre asking it to steer and take a lateral load, at the same time, youre asking it to pull you forward and accelerate, or brake, you very quickly, get to the edge of that tires abilities. Here in the Midwest many tracks and the IMCA have created Pure stock classes based on the 4 cyl FWD sedans that are plentiful and cheap. A more sideways driving style is sometimes helpful for mostly aerodynamic reasons. As for the roll cage. Rear toe is one of the most powerful alignment tools used to loosen up stubborn front-wheel drive race cars. Metal firewall must be between driver and cell. Karts. CT: How hard is it to make the switch from Crate Late Models to Supers? cars. street or racing tires? Saturday, 24 June 2023. Share your tips and tricks on how to get your car fast! A go-kart is a small tubular frame open-wheel vehicle that typically uses small 2-stroke or 4-stroke gasoline-powered engines. 4m.net is a very large nation wide racing forum,,, THEy have a very good ministock tech forum,,,so register , then go to the Mini stock Tech forum and learn. Front-engine, rear-drive . Messed that up.On added weight,CC Speedway made me add 280#s to my Scirroco so I added it under the seat and on the left side .rear.To my surprise the car handeled better.Open diff and street tires on a 1/4 mile hi banked asphalt track.Push was reduced and not spinning the LF anymore.Downside is it takes longer to stop.Lap times are better.Trick guy the 4M website has gone through a total makeover,how did you find the old stuff.Wish you had all that info for VWs,Im not a big Neon fan. But if you have tried getting out of the throttle early and it still isn't helping, you can get out way early and then get back on the gas as you go through the corner. While it is highly unlikely that any FWD teams would be able to obtain this ideal distribution (unless the rules required a very heavy minimum weight), that's the direction they should be headed. The best way to accomplish this rotation is by decreasing the amount of rear grip in relation to the front (or by increasing front grip in relation to the rear) at corner entryeither through driver input, car setup or both. Use the data you have for your tyres or use the table above to get you going. Here you go sell at will ..please be respectful of peoples post .if you. I've been very pleased with camber plates run sideways for castor. The surface has not come apart just yet, and passing is a bit more manageable because the entire width of the track is uniform in grip. Richards: The first thing is you've got to know what style of driver you are. P5007314 Hub and Bearing Kit (199599 Neon ACR). This can vary due to car and driver preferences. For more info about rotating the car, check out the video Quick Tip here. This also applies to other makes of cars with similar rear suspensions. Imagine drawing that line, out 45 degrees to the top left. So if youre trying to figure out how to whip your GTI, ST, Si, Type-R or anything else meant to be driven thats got its drive wheels up front, try to digest some of ACPs advice and put it into practice. 15. You have to run some amount of caster and like most setups it's about finding the optimal amount. Or, the stiffer the rear sway bar needs to be. what tire sizes do you run? These rebound adjustable performance Struts will improve the handling and performance of your Neon. Black slick, a condition in which the track still has enough moisture to keep the material packed, but has hardened and is taking rubber: 1.1 to 1.3 g's (becoming difficult entering and turning in the middle of the turns). And you do that with better tires.. GAUGES/ELECTRONICS: 12 volt ignition system only. Lots of other tricks off course but for low grip adding castor works for me. Once that inside rear tire is off the ground, grip in the rear is effectively cut in half, further aiding rotation during cornering. Be sure to look under the car and check for rust. must remain in the OEM location. The last alignment trick used to get a front-wheel drive car to play nice is rear toe. We can see how it is possible to experience a high 1.7 g's all the way down to a very low 0.7 g's in a single day. I'll bet he is a three wheeler and complains about the "push".. Wow! OEM master cylinder only, in OEM location. Richards: The biggest thing is don't ride around in the slick under caution so the tire won't cool down and glaze over. 19. Use with valve spring P5249846. Given these constraints, and if you were asked to build the IDeal Honda,,. Watch the races and see what the fast guys are driving, chances are they have already researched different makes and models and are racing a style of car for a reason. What Is Front-Wheel Drive? LM: We will want to soften the setup a little more while the track is transitioning through this phase, and we need to reverse-split the front springs. You also have to watch the track to see how it progresses and watch guys who are fast to see how they are driving the track. Most of us 4 cyl FWD cars run on asphalt. Must use OEM crank, rods, valve sizes, stroke, etc. In fact, for most of you the entire reason you are racing is the chance to get behind the wheel and let it all hang out. I am switching to a Toyota for 2007 (or possibly 2008 as the car is still not done yet.) Same as production 199599 ACR. This modification was OK'd a few years ago and hasn't been disallowed as of yet. My understanding was the rear toe-in steered better into the corner much like the Honda Passive rear steering, as the suspension loads up, the inside rear tire toes in. BATTERY/STARTER: One 12-volt battery only. My thoughts were that all things being equal, a rear-wheel drive car will totally run circles around a front-wheel drive one, and of course, I wanted to be in the faster cars. NO FOR SALE POSTS. 8. Front Wheel Drive Set-Up. The more parameters you can modify (suspension pickup points, roll centers, custom uprights and control arms), the less you have to trick the car into doing what you want. LM: We can now begin to change the spring rates at the RF, RR, and LR. Increased pressure makes the tire stiffer, which in turn, increases effective spring rate. Evening up the front springs will help the car turn, and softening the RR spring, lowering the moment center, and raising the CG will provide better bite as the track dries out. No re-caps, softening, conditioning, siping or grooving allowed. ) Zero rear steer is essential now because our dirt car will handle much like an asphalt car. You want to shoot for about 2/3 of the car's total weight to be on the front axle. For more information, call IMCA at 319-472-2201. There is one exception: Nissan GT-Rs are a little different, theyre more like RWD, because they have a ridiculous transfer case, heavy, complicated. DEALS. 2 talking about this. No weight jacks, modifications, racing components, aftermarket or homemade tractions devices allowed. With the rear setfor some toe, I don't remember but think it was around 1/16". build the 4 door neon, not the 2 door, the 4 door is lighter and stronger!!). Roll bar padding required in driver compartment (Fire retardant recommended). Just aim for the gritty spots, and that can help keep the tires from glazing over. Pobst begins by going over the differences between rear-, front-, and all-wheel drive. LM: These conditions are the fastest you will encounter. Given I was never exposed to anything other than sloppy econo-boxes, (nothing wrong with econo-boxes), I had a strong bias based on things I believed to be true, but never experienced firsthand. This does two things: It lowers the rear moment center and raises the car's CG. Pumping up the rear rubber and hitting the front tires with more negative camber can boost your cars cornering abilities, but dont forget to modify that variable in the drivers seat. http://www.mopartsracing.com/parts/neon.html. Note: Emissions exempt in California, Massachusetts and. If you're out on the race track and that doesn't work, you're on your own. All of the action happens up front. This is a place to have fun and fellowship about front wheel drive racing, Tips-tricks-new builds-questions-ect. Any item deemed as ballast will be required to be fixed. Based on these 2007 IMCA rules, which HONDA car (model, Year, body style), Honda Engine and trans should a new racer pick to build and race?? There is no foam in the stock tank and the fuel will slosh around making it hard to keep the right fuel pressure to the engine. More importantly, it increases spring rate at the point of contact with the road. Nope. Mostly because, AWD cars, despite what they tell you about their symmetrical drive layout or whatever else, fundamentally drive like FWD cars. Well, you could if you had caster higher than the 10-15 degrees of SAI your car may have. The LF tire will be doing less work with these changes but should still be touching the ground, and the Ackermann will help it provide turning power. Evo is a little different, and STI is a little different, but they all fundamentally drive like FWD.. (A) $1500 cash claim or exchange on complete car. All the weights on the nose, all the pulling happens at the nose, and all the steering happens at the nose. CT: So how do you drive a dry/slick track? And if you depend on the throttle too much and you get into a slick condition, now you are really in trouble because you're just spinning the tires and not getting anywhere. As the car rotates, it develops an aero force that acts like added traction. If you run a cell you can keep less fuel in the car and the foam will keep it in check to allow the fuel pump to keep a good supply of fuel to the engine. Due to reduced grip, higher pressures can have a negative effect on braking. What this means is you either want a softer swaybar or no swaybar at all in the front. For my fwd street stud tire class ice racers I've morphed into adding castor and leaving the camber stock. So that allows you to have more acceleration, more braking, and more lateral load at the same time. In the rear, the camber is adjusted with shims. Once in a corner, the forces on the car are great enough to flex the suspension and substantially decrease the amount of camber on the wheel. DIRT Track Racing Action - IN-CAR Camera Saturday Night Heroes - SNHFeaturing - Rudi MostertS01E07Hosted by:Grant Burton & Rudi MostertIn this episo. According to the National Speedway Directory, there are over 700 dirt oval tracks in operation in the US. I'm unsure of his class but he did have different springs on his car other than stock. Essential floor careRobot vacuums, stick vacuums, high-performance mops and more are up to 35% off during this Target deal. Must be securely mounted using two, .125-inch thick, solid steel straps, two inches wide, completely around cell. I got two control inputs coming into the computer here, I got throttle angle and I got brake pressure, and itll cut you to limp mode.. This term is widely used when describing a 4-link dirt modified left rear or left front shock. One of the Hot shoes from the Thunders (who kicked but on both dirt and asphalt) will be joining us this year. Sold in pairs. The weight moves off the front outside and onto the front inside. 6-8 degrees of negative camber generally works well in the RF. On stock front-wheel drive cars without camber plates, a couple of degrees of negative camber is the most you can hope to get within the stock shock mount. . Ever since this class was started, many of the faster teams have been looking for ways to stiffen the axle itself. OEM bumper covers must remain. But as you turn that steering wheel, you have to pull the throttle up in order to accommodate that string, thats pulling the pedal back. Note: Negative is when the top of the tire is tilted inward. Bumpers must be welded, chained or cabled to frame and have front and rear tow hook. Don't buy used belts, as all belts are dated and must be replaced every 3 years. FWD is more like taking a spoon, take a spoon and put the bowl of the spoon forward, put your finger in the bowl of the spoon, and drag it around the table. The one significant drawback to the loose rear is during rapid transitions (slalom) as local club course designers seem to really like them. 6. Photography Credit: Rupert Berrington, How to go quickernot just fasteron track. One spring rubber allowed in each spring. You can only buy 1 car per night. This arrangement is extremely popular in modern vehicles for a number of reasons, including: Smaller drivetrain: Instead of the engine, transmission, and differential running from the . I personally expect him to do quite well. 7,800 rpm rev limit. We will examine some physical rules that deal with chassis dynamics so we can arrange the setup to meet the conditions. Hardened and more packed as the surface begins to dry out: 1.3 to 1.5 g's (still good corner speed while losing a little grip off the corner). Johnson: The key to driving in the dry/slick is patience. > When adding lead to a FWD racer, where should the weight go? engine. www.tomorrowstechnician.com/tt/tt30216.htm. The track has now blackened over and the edges of the groove are loosening up with the surface material turning to drier sand. The front wheels do everything, turning, braking, and accelerating whilst the majority of the car's weight is over the front wheels. LM: We definitely need to soften up the setup and introduce more rear steer to be able to negotiate the turns without causing the LF tire to be lifted completely off the track surface. Also, using them is very close to installing a more robust suspension. So based on that, your front struts are DIRECTLY tied to how far over the body rolls. No gutting allowed except for roll/door bar clearance. Heres what ACP has to say about how to drive the shit out of our FWD car: (Full disclosure: The following are ACPs statements as he ran through them with me over the phone. It doesn't make a great deal of difference which side you adjust as long as it's only a minor change. Have fun guys no personal attacks or any kind of spam also. There are two main types of diffs used in front-wheel drive applications: gear and plate. this is a site for you to sell your Front wheel drive racecars and only front wheel drive racecars and parts tires ETC. to the fact that my car gets around the track faster thanks to Nick Holt. Sold individually. Upgrade is recommended for non-ACR Neons used for racing purposes. But look at the entire body when you turn the wheel. Keep the rear tires underneath you, don't spin the rear tires. To run a single setup throughout the day is not going to get the job done in this day and age. It must be clearly visible and unaltered in any way. 1. Raise the rear ride height another inch. Exactly opposite of what a rear wheel drive car should be. No performance additives. In a nutshell, you could more easily sense the limits of the car with less caster, so while more caster might in theory give you more grip, the point at which traction is exceeded is different than where you feel feedback in the wheel or some such. BODY/CHASSIS: Any front wheel drive, compact car with three or four cylinder engine. That's what Randy Pobst talks about on the latest episode of "The Racing Line. HS: As the track begins to dry out, the surface will start to become black and a little slick. I really enjoy my R53 as a daily runabout and occasional track car, but RWD will always be my go to for toys. Dry slick, a condition in which the track has lost considerable moisture and is now very dry and slick with little grip: 0.7 to 0.9 g's (The cars are now very slow in getting into and through the turns, and traction under power is very low. Both sides must have vertical bracing from top to bottom door bars. for Dodge Neon discussions on performance improvements http://forums.neons.org/viewforum.php?f=8, http://forums.neons.org/viewforum.php?f=220&start=100, http://crx.honda-perf.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6937, http://crx.honda-perf.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=4. These emissions exempt (D-265-18) Engine Controllers are a direct replacement and will increase horsepower and torque without affecting drivability. Buy a good fire suit and a "S" Rated Helmet and Go Racing. The rules call for a five point, three inch wide belt. With enough rear toe, front-wheel drive race cars will get extremely loose, which will bring a smile to the face of any experienced front-wheel drive pilot. Bending the tube will result in a better fit, but buying a kit is sometimes cheaper. In a front wheel drive car most of them are running 2deg out on the left front 7deg in on the right front 1.5 In on the right rear 0 on the left rear.
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