That is kind of how I ended up at this church after leaving the Catholic church (with my dads old group from when I was a kid-same group that left the original church to the one we are at now). all these people saying God told them this and that. I have seen this happen many times because God spoke to them its a strong delusion. I am wondering about some of this relating to my own journey, and Im just wondering, did you stop attending church of any kind? But it doesnt make Gods wonderful grace and gifts any less relevant today. just "speaking in faith." Sad The doctrine at bethel is deplorable. wonder if I was backslidden, but my choices were limited: stay away and risk being labeled apostate, "close encounter" with God. The topics were "ripped from the headlines." Slaughter is a bad doctor, therefore ALL doctors are bad. Ive been there numerous times and it is NOT an emotional driven apostasy that you claim. After all, I Sorry if I took anything you said out of context. They believed that they Many in the congregation go to and from Bethel. I had done everything I knew how to Your wife was decieved by a cult. They are sweet young families in this little church, precious young ones who love Jesus. (LogOut/ James 3:1 (NKJV) My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. How clear the repetitive cycle in which I was in much like a Merry-go-round.We were conference junkies, just looking for the next spiritual high(like a drug) Sadly, you always need more, the spiritual high never last long enough. A born evangelist with a true shepherds heart. As you know YHWH God is a covenant God. I never said we should not contend for the Faith nor do I refrain from exposing and rebuking error and sin when needed. Praise God another one of His with eyes wide open.woot woot, Reblogged this on DiscernIt and commented: Now she's Captain of the Atlanta Public Schools Police. I hate to feel that the next time I walk into a church I will be skeptical of everything but, unfortunately, that is where the world is at. Here are 10 things you should know about the Assemblies of God. The majority of the congregation could just "show up" and enjoy. Relationship with God was not the idea there. I remember seeking after the Holy Ghost. I will be agreeing in prayer with you Brother that God would heal any damage done by this Church and that He would guide you and your family where you need to be. It started with some nagging doubts and reservations. She is in deep and after a year I dont even know where she lives. I should also be open to the Holy Spirits voice to give Word according to His perfect will. Im in a bit of a situation right now. church, most of the staff and a significant percentage of the congregation left & were replaced by others. We studied the bible and i heard and saw we are Gods family; brothers and sisters. Well, I can quickly disprove that because I can see people like my dad who were once hardened by life and is now totally spirit filled. Sooo sad for you that you were trapped for soooo LONG!!! the community. May the Lord continue to lead and guide you by His Word. were brass.". If staying connected meant promising to live according to the group's God used this time to begin opening my eyes to the truth. Like I said in earlier posts, in Church you will find Genuine Christians, backslidden Christians, deceived Christians, those who think they are Christianst, unbelievers and the like. It is a Christian Hollywood full of idols and idolatry and it is rampant in these evangelical circles. Arkansas woman indicted and accused of selling $11,000 worth of stolen body parts. God sent a strong delusion upon them so that they should believe the lie because they loved not the truth. Those ministries are considered heretical by many orthodox ChristiansI had NO clue. Flee the hirelings and the organized mess that only wants converts to their denomination. The Bible is very clear on what the key to salvation is so why preach something that isnt of God? So, corruption is not just in the Pentecostal circles. I appreciate the prayer & responses. Making my way up a second time and the same thing happened again! Like I said earlier, its not the movement but deceived Christians or false teachers creeping into the Church. About 6 months after I was saved I had all sorts of false teaching come my way (Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, Church of Christ, Calvinism, Oneness Pentecostals (ACLJ wing), Christian Science, Once Saved Always Saved, Seventh-day Adventist, Word of Faith (BJ teaching), etc, etc. I encourage you to dig deeper into the origins and founders of Pentecostal theology and where the 7 Mt. I attend a Pentecostal church after leaving the Catholic church. I could get a fresh prophetic word every Sunday at the altar as people prayed for me. The I chat to someone who has a particular issue and quoted what I read this morning, to try and comfort them and show a different path to solve the problem. We get to validate his false prophecies and bad theology and they get our moneywin, win? I was going to hell for everything. I pray the Lord will guide you and strengthen you as you seek Him! 1 Thess 5:21 NAS They use those scriptures as evidence that you speak in tongues when you receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit (which is true cause when I received the infilling of the Holy Spirit I spoke in tongues (heavenly). Thats my journey for now. I was suddenly able to consider that the ushers had been there pretty much 5 or 6 nights a week for 4 months. everything was OK. rwj dermatology residents; bowen for. You are coming out of a cult, so anger is one of the stages but I promise it gets better. Services, classes or other They make a big deal out of tongues. Sounds to me like you were victim of the Pathetic and Propha-lying. Bill Johnson and his wife are into grave soaking. We are not the Spirits equal but rather, nothing more than dust. He is my all in all! The Holy Spirit was not given so we could have spiritual encounters(which never build up the spiritual man) and command him like a genie, by demanding, decreeing, commanding anything, as if He is underneath us! U.S. IMMIGRATION POLICY KILLS. Enjoy! My heart really goes out to the wounded. The final straw for me, and the reason I finally left my church of 25 years, was due to the lying and deceptive nature of the pastor. (I think that all Christians do) However, wanting that can make people that usually have a high level of discernment vulnerable and gullible. The Pentecostal scholars I admired almost all left their Pentecostal denominations because they felt marginalized by suspicion that their scholarship was a head trip that made their hearts cold. Was this crackhead behavior or cheating behavior? Hebrews 4:12. My beliefs are based upon 40 years of exposure to the deception the OP writes about. Long story short, my life was turned completely around. It took more than a year for me to work myself into a position where I had the courage to even think Over time and with the opportunity of hindsight, I was gullible. dear jordan poem the crossover. There are also some others and Independent Churches that are good. I find that being away from all the theatrics helped clear the brain fog and confusion. Meet Murphy the broody eagle, who tried to hatch a rock and then miraculously became a dad! We must REPENT for turning Gods people into a business opportunity. Thats why it is so important to share our stories. I have so many friends lost in these same easily disproveable liesif only they would pick up a Bible and study it for themselves. They really don't speak much on any other gift. Really, all believers have the Holy Spirit and should be led by the Spirit of God and not by people saying I have a word for you. Just the one that suits will do me. I got shoved out of the way by burly prayer ushers who were sullen and rude. God led me out of the movement and today I am free! The pastors were friendly and easy going. The deception runs deep and is becoming alarmingly subtle. For the first time, a man has won the women's Tour of the Gila. WebWe would like to show you a description here but the site wont allow us. As a minister, I fellowship with many others, and believe me, I would never trade what God has graciously given to me through the Baptism in the Holy Spirit with the Presbyterians and others whose Orthodoxy is cold and aloof. leadership believed that they were able to receive very specific verbal direction (called "prophetic words" or "words That's why the people outside where amazed that they were hearing the gospel in THEIR own language. The worship, the message, the ministry time at the end: everything set the stage for an emotional I've been a member of this church all of my life. Mind you he left me sitting in a worship service for 45 minutes to chat with another girl that he ended up dating weeks later. mandate, New apostolic Reformation, revival talk comes from. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. I didn't feel torn or What are your future plans? Otherwise you are judging ALL and condemning ALL in the Pentecostal Movement. It sound devlish. In my mind, God was now I could have written every word. Your testimony is nearly identical to mine. I thought I did at times, but whenever the pain really had zero conviction. Thoughts started running through my mind if we have one father that means we are brothers and sisters. I've also been to quite a few services at a couple of different Apostolic churches. If we truly belong to God he will lead us out. The erroneous Seven Mountain Mandate and New Apostolic Reformation doctrines have flooded in. It sounds so Godly no one has stopped to examine weather it linesup with doctrine. When you say when people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion, do you mean like these dreams/visions and feelings that are elevated above Gods word are not in line with Him? It is an out of balance, unbiblical view of being a disciple of Christ. Knowing Christ and Living a life simply following the precepts of the bible are more than enough. huge revolving door. questionable to me. Its not fun, its grueling and has caused me to really question in new ways what is and is not God. I will certainly look it up. Once I got over being mad & looking for dirt on Bethel I prayed for discernment and was led to 1 John 4. Very interesting to read about Calvinism in particular as one of the most vehement opponents of post apostolic biblical manifestations is John MaCarthur, a well known Calvinist. One bride, one body of Christ. (LogOut/ Romans 3:20-22 KJV It sees this gratitude as humiliating and oppressive. But I didn't get it right next time, or the time after that, or the time after that. Share our lives with eachother. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It was like scales fell off my eyes and I was free. But i realized people only. I stomped off back to my seat, picked up my coat and decided enough was enough. Contrary to what some people believe, our church is not a cult! If youre not condemning some of these actions youre condoning them on some level and in doing so youre misleading the sheep. Thank you we are all finding each other I believe because the Holy Spirit Christ is coming, be in His work! I left the CC in 81to go to an AOG church for five years. I can't really explain it all here because I'm just not that well spoken and articulate with my words. about asking for money -- and there were definite echoes of prosperity teaching involved -- but they didn't hunt you Cars were always in the parking lot. - What should we think of the Signs and Wonders movement? When prophesies and words of knowledge didnt come to pass, it was blamed on some great sin in our family. on the worship team. No thinking Christian could or should attempt to dispute them. For example some people get bent out of shape if you believe in a pretrib rapture and think you ate a heretic. I was just done. It has only been out there for a few days. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here lol. The basic precepts of a Spirit-filled life are 100% biblical, but Word-Fatih, NAR, and other deviancies replaced these distinctives with utter garbage and the teachings of the Nicolaitans, teachings which God hates.. They will turn on you like wolves if you dare speak outagainst their superstar ministers.You will be harshly snubbed. Where was I to go now and how do I re-shape my belief system? Music was too loud (again) but I went up to re-commit to Christ out of a challenge. Leave Egypt, leave the baggage and go into the desert. There was constant talk of apostles and prophets that God was raising up in these last days. The Christian life is not about programs, it is about loving God and loving others (one another, neighbours, enemies) because we love Him and His love flows through us for others . This is where I am in my walk with God. Honestly looking back now, I have been out of that movement for about 10 years and sadly, I was the only one in my group to clearly see the Neon sign. Talking correctly was I Light Skinned Women Are Like A Drug To Me. Should Christians live the gospel? The false teaching that has come into the Pentecostal camp did not originate with the Pentecostal movement. Once we were all encouraged to speak in tongues and shout out our cities name as claimed territory In the name of Jesus. Is that all it takes?. It is so important that we know the scriptures and keep those scriptures in context so we can discern what is truth and what is not . A rare mix these days behind the pulpit. We need to be rooted and grounded in the Word to stand regardless of what some else does or does not do. Mark, yes, some of the Sola Scriptura folk are Calvinist and/or Cessationists. Im not sure if I meant to post under your specific comment. the faith. Have MERCY on those who waver; SAVE others by snatching them from the FIRE; have MERCY on others, but with fear, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.". I have heard false teaching, false prophecies, corrupt teachings and things that people said were of God and were not! This is without doubt the main What about Saul of Tarsus on the way to Damascus? We are actually eternal family. I began to see what seemed like little miracles every day. WebLeaving an unhealthy church. It was then that I truly knew God was real to me. Hi there, it is sooo crucially important that we continue to pray for the bride. He said prophecy was. And we will know God and worship him in Spirit and in truth. In this video, I talk about the reasons why i left the conservative Pentecostal movement. Your word is TRUTH God. When you go to Church, you should keep your eyes on Christ and get eyes off people. I wound up joining a large and much We were never supposed to stop following TORAH(HIS instructions), remembering SHABBAT and observing the feasts. I do not say these things out of pride or self ambition but I am truly DETERMINED to live my life for Him no matter what others do or dont do. It was scary making the decision to leave but leaving and going back to my Bible church was like going from desert to oasis. When I joined the church, I had signed a "covenant" where I promised, among other things, to speak to the leadership God was ABOUT to do something amazing in our mist. To tell someone they dont have the Holy Ghost if they dont speak in tongues sets people up to speak in fake tongues or doubt their salvation. Have you ever met someone on Social Media and started dating them? When things were so bad that I couldn't hide my symptoms, I just avoided church and church people. You will hopefully find this article informative on this book The Great Controversy by Ellen White this is the link http://www.takeheed.info/pdf/March-2014/The-Great-Controversy.pdf, Im not an Adventist although I know decent people who are. How God was going to send a great revival which didnt make sense to me because the bible taught of a great apostasy the polar opposite. But Its like the pot calling the kettle black. I love Torah , love Sabbath worship and only He is Glorified. You learn to keep your opposing views to yourself. Well Jo-Ann I fellowship with other like minded believers who have also left the corrupt system. Which is why he is forced to accept the workings of the Holy Spirit in scripture, those strange goings which opponents thought were of the devil or threatened their own religious viewpoints. Northern Ireland There was something happening literally every night of the week. Finally I had a dream being locked inside a glass building and when I woke up that morning I knew it was time I havent looked back. I think the devil is fooling the elect! One of the greatest resources that helped me through this difficult timehas been others sharing their stories and so I am compelled to share mine. The Holy Spirit will not contradict the Word of God but enlighten the Scriptures to us. I am finding this site among others that are confirming some concerns. The musicians and leaders had done the same. Neither do I. I feel I made that clear in the conclusion. True conversion repentance, forgiveness of sins, and surrender to the Lordship of Christ leads to transformed lives, exhibiting the grace, truth, love and joy of the One we profess to follow. Nationally known guest speakers visited from time to time. I spent months alone, laying on the floor, broken, fasting, praying, weeping, calling out to God. I have only been out 9 months and I still feel anger. not nearly as smart or skilled or spiritual or useful as I thought I was, that I would never find another church like viewing someones social media and then feeling ill afterwards? We were making some I dreaded that conversation more than a whole mouth full of root canals. You should be able to pull up the bizarre video on YouTube along w/ his wifes pic laying on a grave to soak up the dead persons anointing. So that is why I'm going to recommend some reading that will surely help you in your quest to find your faith again. It is important never to throw out the baby with the bathwater. But long ago I determined in my heart and mind that if all forsake Christ or go astray I will not be one of them. White. Maybe If you call out a minister on their poor or even criminal behavior and present facts to back up your claim they either ignore you all together or get mad as a hornet. So I always preach expositionally just like Dallas Theological Seminary taught me too. Hi, I have a question. Sometimes HE is hidden even within the church, but a heart that truly desires TRUTH and real intimacy with the Spirit will find it just as you have because God has said so! Christian fonts only! Please head to the nearest deliverance minister and get that religious spirit cast out of you. She went to Israel with her daughter five months after leaving and decided it was okay to date while she was there. That is not the same as the apostolic gift of healing. Oh yes, we were always ALMOST THERE, wherever there was. BUT i have concerns so i am doing some research. Consider Jacob who wrestled with God. Yung Miami says she ready to correct her poor speech, thinks she sounds illiterate, 90 Day Fianc: The Other Way: Season 4, Episode 13 - Winds Do Not Blow As the Ships Wish, PrettiSusu Pregnant! Well the Statement is true ove used or simplified or not. When my mom became terminally ill at a young age from a neurological disease, I believed all the faith healers that it was always Gods will for us to be healthy and wealthy. Being a Christian 34 years, 25+ years in Ministry I have seen, heard and experienced in the Church many things that make me shake my head and my blood boil. Discipleship is the keystone that is missing in our churches. Ive heard so many prophesies about Donald Trump being chosen by God. Let me tell you what type of disillusionment that sets a young person up for. I look back and I remember being distracted/overwhelmed by loud music and all the shouting in my church. diagnose my spiritual shortcomings. Unfortunately it will just increase as the church continues to elevate personal revelation above scripture. I dont know much about other denominations, I can only speak for the one I was in. However, that doesnt mean that I have given up on If more Christians were influential in these areas would we have a more godly society? so much back there wasn't God at all. the church. Im going to Florida to visit my son and basically Ive told the Lord, bring it on, drown me. While I refuse to listen to any of the major media ministries anymore, that does not sour me on the incredible level of intimacy I have with God every day his prophetic word, and praying in the Spirit. I have been attending a baptist bible study in someones home and small home groups. I thought are these people trained to do this or is this just the dark spirit manifesting itself. Thank you for that question. I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear view. FYI, t-shirts are not sold at Judys or Ricks place. Hopefully you will still be here when I get back. As time went on though, I began to question the Pentecostal belief system a little bit by little bit. I looked up to people like Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, etc. I believe God can heal if you pray and He wills it. Often, there were social/political themes to the teachings, followed by When I heard these false teachings, the Holy Spirit would always put a check in my spirit and it drove me to study the Scriptures to see if what they were saying was true. i live in the uk dont no were you r from, i mean no disrespect by my post, Gods work is wonderous, but these are the ends times so we must be on the lookout, God bless, Please ! Webwhy are pentecostals so mean. Some very specific "prophetic words" were simply forgotten or ignored without commentary when to try to direct the personal lives of the congregation. It was a process to leave my former church and begin attending the new church regularly. They used drama and technology and Young people mimmick their piers. The Pentecostal movement spread to Sweden by 1907 from the 19041905 Welsh Revival and the Azusa Street Revival in I would also like to add, its important that we extend grace, love and mercy to those within the church that we are walking away from. of knowledge") straight from God, not just for themselves but for those in their churches. I felt guilty. If you read the 7 Letters to the 7 Churches you see where Christ rebuked 5 of the 7. They are irrefutable to the believer. It caused me to start wondering about the validity of standards taught in the United Pentecostal Church. How vain have we become to think the God who is holy, righteous, pure in every way looks to give us his Presence or another word to puff us up! I wish you well and encourage you to be intimate with Christ every day. When you are leaving it can be overwhelming. The definitions that helped me understand what was happening are exegesis verses eisegesis please look it up. In Ezra and Nehemiah the priest had become so corrupt that God had to raise up a new movement by calling his ppl out, I have to remember that when I feel utterly alone at times. bless you if you live, speak, and believe correctly. I hope you find it helpful and the link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA9ELq9TD08. So, I resonate with and appreciate your story. I also think Pentecostals got their tongues mixed up. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. I attributed my lack of faith The fog will clear eventually. The pastor brought in the prophets/apostles to promote the We Love Our City that our church was starting to implement. I certainly agree with you and sounds like puresola does too. She tells me I will go straight to hell. I could not believe this woman would manipulate teenagers out of what little money they had with zero shame.As I shared the incident with other believers in righteousoutrage,not one person said a word at that table, Not one. Sorry for your bad Church experiences you and your family have encountered. http://www.takeheed.info. Youre Blocking Your Blessings. Do you all really believe this? The real reason the so called church has gotten so apostate is because they have I certainly dont see myself as the pot calling the kettle black only a woman sharing her testimony. consumed and driven by manipulate. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Why I left the Pentecostal Church Patricia Figueroa 1.32K subscribers Subscribe 574 Share 40K views 4 years ago In this video, I talk about the reasons why i You have to test everything, use discernment and wisdom. It was like medicine to hear it summarized so perfectly. Thank you for voicing it. "revivals" on the west coast, special services on the east coast, visited "hot spots" in the midwest I just left the same ungodly situation three weeks ago, so I praise God that you did also. I had previously thought I was already Spirit-filled because I was a believer. The atmosphere was expectant. This is the link, http://www.takeheed.info/index-for-assorted-articles/charismatic-type-issues/, Cecil Andrews It is full of people who (mostly) volunteer their time. I still believe in miracles, the gifts of the spirit and the Word of God. WebThe Pentecostal movement began with a desire to be intentionally non-denominational and unaffiliated. Why is it considered normal in society to work yourself to death and be broke after paying bills? Looking back, I realize that there were only two I prayed, but "the heavens I see now I was very wrong. WebMerely being a member of the Society for Pentecostal Studies often brings a Pentecostal scholars commitment to the movement into question. I do know how you feel. or show up and let everyone see how badly I had failed in my faith. This movement.it destroys. If I was going to have a genuine close encounter with God, I expected that I would walk away forever Mark G,please reread my statement. They were prayed for, the mistress and Bentley then given a platform to continue in ministry two weeks later. And trust me I have had my share. They prophesied that they saw my moms brain cells starting to multiply, but of course we had to do our part, which involved extreme fasting, and money ( it always involves money for these evil wolves!). a call to action. always meetings and programs -- yet was difficult to build relationships. The Evangelical Church as a whole is in great delusion. I just want to know the bible as intended. I feel fortunate that every teaching from the pulpit, and Sabbath school, was straight from the bible and cross referencing scriptures according to the lesson we were studying. To encourage each other and pray for each other. Praise God for His mercy and grace!. and it will lead you into much folly. http://bible.com/1/gal.3.1-3.kjv, Juanita, I would invite you to watch the first 21 minutes of this talk I gave last year and in this portion I address the subject of Seventh-day Adventism. Staying connected to the Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. I was so happy to read your message! You should write your story. Romans 2: Completegarbage. that be not as though they were." Its really difficult for me to be around the churchy showboating atmosphere. I still pray but Ive come to understand we must hold fast what is good and the greatest testimony is simply obeying His word regardless of the goosebumps. While Ive had personal, subjective experiences that convince me that Christianity is true, there are compelling reasons to believe that its objectively true.When I first began to investigate the claims of Christianity, I compared it to some of the most With each Go to YouTube and listen, you will be amazed, please, do this for your own benefit. As Christians we need to be a Berean and test everything by the Word of God in regards to what we hear, what we see, what we read as well as words from the Lord. It is so unbalancedan sends people out on wild goose chases they may NEVER come back from.Its this idea that some magicalepic eventwill transpire in the distant future and THEN you will have arrived into your destiny moment. I left at 1.30am when the meeting was still going on. The difference is Im not twisting anything. The Rise of Hindu Nationalist Politics and Violence against Christians, 1996-present: I pleaded with God to show me where I was It was a warm fuzzy experience for the sake of Obvious lie according to scripture. A controversial debate about racism in the United Pentecostal Church International is now raging in the denomination after an interracial couple who led one of Currently it turns my stomach and makes me want to smack my friends into reality. 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